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Tyler Jorgenson (00:01.534)
Welcome out to Biz Ninja Entrepreneur Radio. I’m your host Tyler Jorgenson and today we have the honor and the pleasure of having Jeff Van Osdall. Man, that is a tough name for me. Jeff? Chef Van Tondel. Just kidding. No, today we have the pleasure of having Jeff Van Osdall out on here and he is an entrepreneur, a creator and doing some really amazing stuff with AI.
his companies are bought mockups and list builder. You’re going to have to check all of those out, but welcome out to the show, Jeff.
Jeff Vanasdal (00:32.08)
Hey, thanks man. Appreciate it. It’s awesome to be on and hang out with events and it’s cool. Thanks for having me on dude. Stoked the…
Tyler Jorgenson (00:38.68)
Dude, I’m stoked that we finally connected. You’re a good dude, good human. And I’m excited to talk about AI and talk about entrepreneurship with you. When was that moment for you that you first realized you were an entrepreneur?
Jeff Vanasdal (00:53.202)
Yeah. Um, and high school, I started making t-shirts for my writing group. Uh, it was like my dad, his friends, and I thought it’d be cool just to make t-shirts for us. And then I started wearing the school and people were like, Hey, man, can I get a t-shirt? And I was like, uh, yeah, sure. So I just started taking down orders on a little not like notepad. This is before like iPhone stuff. I wish I had the note. I have it framed in my, uh, by the room.
Tyler Jorgenson (01:14.424)
Yep. Sure.
Jeff Vanasdal (01:20.614)
But that’s like a huge deal for me. like, that’s what started it all, was just taking orders. And I sold some of that school. You’d see someone with a sanitor racing shirt. I don’t know how I came up with the name, that’s essentially how it my first business.
Tyler Jorgenson (01:37.43)
Yeah, I, you know, I feel like there’s two types of people that come on the show, people who have been an entrepreneur since they were a kid. And then people who like were in business for themselves and then maybe stumbled into it. I feel like if you have the entrepreneurship bug, if it’s truly like who you are, it’s been since you were a kid or a teenager or something like that. And so you started building kind of accidentally a t-shirt and an apparel business. What was your like, how far did that go? Did it?
Go just, you know, okay, we made a few shirts or did you end up kind of being like, Hey, this is a brand.
Jeff Vanasdal (02:11.938)
that was kind of a fluke and which led to more things. Like, I think a lot of people like, aren’t really sure about what they’re passionate about. Well, that was like, I’ve been writing since eight and then I started making the graphics of the t-shirts. I remember making stickers for my ATVs before I knew you can even buy t-shirts, like, t-shirts, stickers. So I would make, I took that same t-shirt that Santor designed, Santor racing shirt on.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:15.096)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:21.474)
Sure.
you
Tyler Jorgenson (02:34.785)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (02:40.1)
and I took wax paper, traced over the logo with a like wax paper and a sharpie, cut it out with a sharp, like a Xacto knife with huge wide electric tape. And then that was like first sticker. And like that just like, man, like I love doing this. And then it went from that, like racing to taking photos, websites. Now it’s like all smashed into one.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:51.266)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:09.826)
That’s cool. And so I feel like you’re identifying something that is unique into the mindset of an entrepreneur and that is the ability to just figure it out. So you’re like, I want stickers. I’ll just make a sticker. And what I’ve found is that not everybody thinks that way. A lot of people don’t think that they can solve their own problems, right? They’ll be like, I want a sticker. Where do I go get one? And you’re like, I’m just going to make a sticker. And I think that that probably that personality, that mindset probably applies into other things you’ve done.
Jeff Vanasdal (03:21.541)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:39.458)
What was, you know, that was like a fun passion project, but what was the first business that you started?
Jeff Vanasdal (03:48.114)
man. So I’m lucky enough to have like, not really have a real job since like 16, like, like last job was like a target. The reason I’m saying that is like, worked for magazines and then, I guess my first business of mine was, I stumbled upon like making funnels for businesses, sales funnels. I didn’t even know what that was. I didn’t even know that was a thing. just like,
Tyler Jorgenson (03:57.293)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:12.308)
Mm. Yep.
Jeff Vanasdal (04:18.022)
Another problem I solved was shooting photos for the Rockstar Mikita’s, Mikita Snowcross team. And I get, they’re giving away all these like swag. Like they had a, one of my responsibilities was to set up their booth and they give away like stickers, t-shirts, all kinds of stuff. But yeah, they’d still have problems like pushing people to the booth. And it was like right when QR code scanners.
came out on your phone. it was like, and instead of like people filling out form on iPads, other one would just use the QR codes. And then I gamified it and made it so like people can win a prize now, which was like that swag, like t-shirts and key chains. That was.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:50.189)
Right?
Tyler Jorgenson (05:06.93)
yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (05:12.08)
my introduction to like sales funnels and like ClickFunnels. I was like, this is actually a thing. Like we were talking earlier about ClickFunnels conference. I didn’t know that was, that was like my first introduction to marketing and then now high level.
Tyler Jorgenson (05:20.977)
yeah. Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (05:28.512)
Yeah, it’s always fascinating to me people that that came into funnels through someone other than Russell Brunson, right? Like the godfather of sales funnels. But that’s how it goes. Like when markets expand, they often expand beyond well beyond the first ripple. And so one, I could talk forever about like the power of gamifying a basic form capture. I think that’s really, really smart. But what I want to do is now I want to fast forward. And I want to say like, what is it that you’re building now?
and why does it excite you?
Jeff Vanasdal (06:01.01)
And over the last nine months, like just like going back to that sticker problem. It’s like, didn’t, I just solved that problem for myself. And one of the things we’ve just built over the last nine months is a software that allows you to show your prospects what the AI chatbots with Nolan look like on their own channels, like Facebook, Instagram, SMS, and on their website.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:07.747)
Mm-hmm.
Jeff Vanasdal (06:29.734)
You can actually show how the AI works as well, which was one of the problems I had because I have a marketing agency, we sell a high chat bots. And it’s like, so many times I’ve, I’ve sat across from a table from someone like, and there’s a thing called self selling AI. Well, with that, have to rely on like, if it’s over SMS, you have to rely on the cell phone carriers to actually deliver the SMS. And then sometimes there’s a delay there and it’s like,
Tyler Jorgenson (06:54.786)
Right.
Jeff Vanasdal (06:58.034)
Dude, was at a Bentley dealership in Indianapolis. That’s where I live. Trying to sell the dealership, the bot. And that was the thing. It’s like, he never got the text message to demo the bot. And it’s like, you could probably guess I didn’t get the deal. So I was like, it has to be something to solve this problem I’m having. I know I’m not the only one with this problem. So yeah, that’s, that’s,
Tyler Jorgenson (07:13.622)
Right, right.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:26.114)
That’s really cool. So what I want to do is for the listener who may not be deep into AI and sales funnels and these types of things, before we really understand what bot mockups do, talk to us about just what an AI bot is, right? And why businesses need that.
Jeff Vanasdal (07:49.778)
Yeah. Um, so how I best describe it is, before I did this full time for my agency, I worked for a company called Can-Am. They make ATVs and dirt bikes. I was in charge of the social media. They’re like 4 million followers across Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Most of my day was spent answering the same question over and over and over again inside the DMs.
Tyler Jorgenson (08:08.59)
wow, that’s pretty cool.
Jeff Vanasdal (08:16.656)
Well, with AI chatbots, you could put an AI on Instagram, for example, and have it answer those questions I was having to mainly answer all the time. So, and you can book appointments now with them. You can save all the data. Like say you’re trying to call.
Tyler Jorgenson (08:33.486)
Yeah. So that’s a really cool place to deploy a bot as in somewhere that just has a high frequency of messages, but often not complex messages, right? What other places? So you also mentioned to Bentley over SMS. are you, for the people who are unaware, are the, a lot of the communication that business, that people are having with businesses, whether it’s through SMS or through Instagram DMs, are you saying more and more of those are now AI?
Jeff Vanasdal (08:43.689)
yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (09:02.13)
Yeah, well, it’s definitely going that direction. So yeah, SMS is.
Tyler Jorgenson (09:05.9)
Yeah. Why is that? Why is that a benefit to the business?
Jeff Vanasdal (09:12.144)
Well, here’s another story is like a good example. We had a tree fall in the backyard at my old house. And I just went to Google and I just started calling top to bottom, Indianapolis tree trimmers. And no one answered the phone till like the 11th person. Now imagine if you had like the SMS hooked up and these people were paying for Google to send them calls.
The reason why they’re not answering it because most of the the tree trimmers are small crews. Well, they always have a chainsaw in their hand, so they can’t answer the phone that they’re paying Google to send. So if they had this call text back, which is a thing you build high level, you can text that person back automatically. And then if you have AI built in, you can ask them, hey, what’s going on? If you have a tree falling in your backyard, where is it at? And actually book the appointment when you’re…
Tyler Jorgenson (09:50.679)
Right?
Jeff Vanasdal (10:07.942)
That guy’s up in a tree doing a job right now. So that’s the power.
Tyler Jorgenson (10:11.662)
Yep. When I launched my first supplement company, this was back in 2009. So by 2010, we had an 800 number and people would call in. And I really didn’t want a lot of phone calls, but people, this was back when people still liked to pick up the phone. feel like less and less people even want to do that. And so we had a AVR.
Jeff Vanasdal (10:33.255)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (10:37.706)
automated voice response system, right? And so this whole AVR system was done through an architected tree of like, if they say this, press one, if press two, right? All these things. So we’ve been doing this concept forever, but now it’s automated and through intelligence, right? Where instead of just saying press one, they’re having conversations and they’re dynamic, right? They’re actually changing the messaging based on what the person’s saying.
You’re doing mostly the bots that are working through SMS and through, you know, direct messages. Are you also dealing with voice?
Jeff Vanasdal (11:13.266)
We started a dabble in it last week. Well, a of weeks ago, um, for the, uh, hospitality industry. So for example, like hotels, um, and I think there’s a lot of stuff you can do there, um, for like concierge, like virtual concierge, something like that. Uh, but the latency, which is the timing between like you saying something and then the bot comes back with, especially if you have a big knowledge base, knowledge base is just what the bot’s trained on.
Tyler Jorgenson (11:36.865)
Yep.
Jeff Vanasdal (11:43.692)
It’s, it’ll get there, maybe give it like two months and I think it’s gonna be really nice.
Tyler Jorgenson (11:49.718)
Isn’t that what’s crazy is by where this is middle of February, by the time the show airs, it’ll be probably March. By the time this airs, this will already be outdated. That’s how fast AI is moving, right? Is that and it’s really amazing. I mean, since you’ve started working on List Builder and Bot Mockups, mean, AI has already left several decades worth of progress of normal development time. It’s really,
Jeff Vanasdal (11:59.718)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (12:15.365)
It’s crazy.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:16.628)
amazing. But I think every business owner needs to find a way to get comfortable with AI in the way that they’re going to use it because it we are not out of we’re no longer at a point where you can choose whether or not AI is going to be a part of your business. It’s just going to be how how you choose to use it. And so give me another example. I mean, you talked about like a tree trimmer. I think that’s a great example. You can’t answer you shouldn’t answer the phone when you’re holding a chainsaw.
Jeff Vanasdal (12:33.425)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (12:44.87)
Yes.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:44.886)
Right? You talked about the repetitive tasks of a DM, right? Like that’s brilliant. Let the social media manager be doing things that only a human should do, like being really more creative and things like that. What are some other case studies of the benefits or when bots should be used?
Jeff Vanasdal (13:06.77)
Uh, well, my personal favorite is giveaways, like list building. Uh, that’s, uh, so I would just bring up this, this case study. It this was for Emily Frost. She has a aesthetic business, just Botox, stuff like that. Uh, we did a $500 gift card giveaway for her and you’ve probably seen it before on Instagram. It’s like, follow us, tech three friends, you’re an earn to win.
Tyler Jorgenson (13:12.748)
Yeah, let’s hear it.
Tyler Jorgenson (13:25.698)
Mm-hmm.
Jeff Vanasdal (13:35.25)
Yeah, it’s nice. You get more followers, but followers is just a vanity metric. What you want is engagement. And the more engagement you get, the more people that are naturally going to see your posts. Because Instagram and Facebook reward that with more reach natively. now, if you post on Instagram and Facebook, it only goes out to like 1 % of your audience. Which is just…
Tyler Jorgenson (14:03.662)
Bye.
Jeff Vanasdal (14:05.426)
You’re like, what? So it’s very hard to get people’s eyeballs on attention. Well, those giveaways, just a $500 gift card giveaway, end up booking around like 20 extra appointments in the week, which equates to like 20 some thousand dollars worth of new business. Just with the $500 gift card giveaway, with zero ad spend.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:21.209)
All right, we’re still recording. Let’s keep rolling. So the last part I was talking through the engagement benefits. So like you said, it equates to 20 extra and then it froze on my side. if you can just pick up from basically you were talking about that giveaway and engagement.
Jeff Vanasdal (15:23.73)
Thank you.
Jeff Vanasdal (15:38.212)
yeah, sure.
Jeff Vanasdal (15:45.33)
So yeah, for Emily Frost, we did a 500 gift card giveaway, which equated to extra $27,000 for the week, just from that $500 gift card. And that was with zero ad spend. Now, granted, she did have an engaged audience of 60,000 followers on Instagram. remember I said engaged. You can buy as many followers as you want. Literally, you can buy them, but that’s completely it.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:54.595)
Holy moly.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:12.179)
yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (16:14.246)
Do not do that. That’s going to mess up your engagement, right? But yeah, and that was without AI back then. That was like two years ago. So now when, if you hook up AI with it now, say we did a giveaway for say like the next week, we can actually book the appointments for, and with the giveaways, this is one thing I realized like when we did hers, you always want to incentivize them to take the next action. So.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:15.619)
No.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:21.366)
Thank
Jeff Vanasdal (16:43.59)
they’re entering to win the $500 gift card. So inside Instagram, you can say, hey, comment giveaway and we’ll send you a DM to finish entering. Another way you could do it is comment giveaway and tag three friends. I like doing the tag three friends because it shows other people the post. But with the native feature in high level now, you can actually have it
Tyler Jorgenson (17:05.245)
yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (17:12.538)
reply to the comment natively inside of high level and send the DM, that first DM, which is like, hey, it looks like you want to enter the giveaway. Now the reason why that’s so powerful and I think it’s the most underutilized feature in high level is because when you do that, the Algorand moral already sees that people are commenting on the post and then it also sees that people are interacting inside the DM. So the two of the highest,
indicators to the algorithm that, wow, this is a performing post, let’s send it to more people. And that’s with, like I said, without any Aspen.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:50.903)
Yeah. So let’s say, so if that’s all native, what does, what does using AI do to make that even better?
Jeff Vanasdal (18:00.146)
So those two first pieces of the comment, reply, and send the first DM. So the first DM you say, looks like you want to enter the giveaway. And they say yes, and that’s when the AI kicks in. And you could say, cool, let’s get you entered. What’s your first name? What’s your last name? What’s your email? Do you want to sign up for SMS list to be the first to know about our latest deals, giveaways, like this? If they say yes, then that’s when we ask for their phone number. Because there’s no reason why they ask for the phone number if they only want to send out.
sign up for the SMS. So it gives it consent. And then after we gather that information and it saves it on the back end, it saves it automatically inside High-Level, saves first, last name, email, and whatever other questions you want to ask, it saves it to custom user fields, which if you don’t know what that is inside of High-Level, High-Level is just crazy. Like such an amazing platform. Anyways, at the very end, you always want to upsell them to take action now. Not upsell them, but…
just incentivizing to take action, which in our case, that particular giveaway was, hey, if you book an appointment now, we’ll give you a $50 skincare kit for free, which they’re getting that skincare kit for like, Emily was getting it for free from our vendors anyway. So it doesn’t, it wasn’t even costing her any more, much more money, money. So that’s why people were booking appointments right then and there. We’ve done this before too with e-comm brands where it’s like, thanks for ending the giveaway.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:16.312)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (19:27.962)
just say, thanks, here’s a coupon code for 10 % off. And you can hook it up to Shopify too inside, you can hook Shopify up inside a high level and utilize the personalized coupon codes as well. So you imagine like getting the coupon code says Tyler 50 off inside the DMs. You can do all that with AI.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:47.577)
That’s awesome. When, um, when I had my supplement brand, what I found worked at a higher return rate than just a coupon code was a store credit. we would, we would actually put a store credit into their account of like 20 bucks or we would always make it a weird number, 22 or 25 or 20, know, $27 and 16 cents. Um, and we just like, Hey, we found a credit in your account, but we’d send it out to the whole list that more people would come back and buy. And there’s this weird psychology of.
people will put more energy into recovering something that they lost than they will to attain something that they don’t yet have. For example, if somebody, if you tell someone, Hey, you, dropped your $20 bill back there. It’s in that bush. More people will go and seek it than if you just say, Hey, I think I saw a $20 bill back there and it’s not theirs, right? Less people will then go after it. And so anyway, just a fun little psychology play there to deploy.
Jeff Vanasdal (20:39.908)
Mm. Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (20:44.914)
Oh, yeah. And I bet you it helps with email over age two. It’s like, wait, why I have 22 or $22 credit.
Tyler Jorgenson (20:52.179)
yeah, yeah, applying it as it’s like this is a more formal communication than a marketing communication, right? Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. This is getting my wheels turning like crazy because I’ve loved AI early on, but a lot of the early tools were difficult. They had a really challenging user interface. They weren’t easy to get working. We utilize the automations on Instagram all the time for ourselves and for clients.
I’m a huge fan, but what I always get frustrated by is after that first or second interaction, where does it go from there? Right? And so I love what you’re doing with this and how you’re helping businesses really just become more efficient in many ways. Like this, that’s what AI should do. It’s like, it’s not there to, you know, get rid of all the humans. It’s just there to make the everything work better and make it, you know, a better process for them. with,
Jeff Vanasdal (21:43.12)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (21:47.105)
you know, with everything you guys are doing with AI and with building lists and doing giveaways, like what are some other cool examples or case studies that you guys have worked on recently?
Jeff Vanasdal (21:58.162)
Um, there’s one we did for recycled firefighter. They have a really cool brand that they buy recycled fire hose and turn them into like flags and wallets and stuff. And, uh, became friends with the, I found them through the mini chat. Um, do you any mini chat? Uh, I will, I’m listed as an expert in there. He calls me and, uh, I was like, man, we should just do AI with this.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:16.324)
yeah, yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (22:26.386)
Well, he grew his list by I think 40,000 and by connecting ads to it, the AI. So imagine running a giveaway style again, but saying like, enter to win our RecycleFire hose American flag. And he grew his list by like 40,000 in a week. And the ad spend was like pennies for each, I think 27 cents opt-ins, something like that.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:46.627)
Wow.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:55.863)
So good.
Jeff Vanasdal (22:56.842)
yeah. And it’s double, like I think double or triple his business, like in two months because of that giveaway and the ads. And then on the backend, you would just look at to send out more emails and stuff.
Tyler Jorgenson (23:06.541)
We, yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, that’s huge. I think so many business owners, and I mean, you know, one of your businesses is called List Builder, right? And for those business owners listening that haven’t heard this before, the power of owning your own list is massive because there’s traffic that you can go buy, like you can go buy ads, and then there’s traffic you can rent, like through a JV or a partnership or.
having somebody else, an affiliate or somebody push traffic for you. But the traffic that you own, so your list is number one, right? Because even the traffic like your followers on Instagram, that’s really not traffic you own. And as evidenced by most businesses are seeing a massive drop in engagement recently because the algorithm has shifted again. Or if you remember when Facebook pages first launched, it was like, man, was like free trafficking, you had tons of engagement. And now you post on a Facebook business page, it’s like crickets.
Jeff Vanasdal (23:53.842)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (24:01.586)
Thank
Tyler Jorgenson (24:04.351)
And so having that traffic you own is so powerful. man, Jeff, what you’re saying there is unlocking so many things for me, because my background’s in e-commerce and list building and this kind of stuff. we did, we had a client once that every single week we were giving away either a PlayStation or an Xbox. So they were a, they were a video game e-commerce store. Well, one of the biggest things in order to really customize your emails was which platform are you on? And so every week, we just simply ran a survey that said vote.
Jeff Vanasdal (24:31.462)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:33.901)
vote Xbox or PlayStation, right? Which console’s best? And then they would, by choosing, would, by voting, they would enter the list. But now we knew basically what games do we email this person, right? It was so simple. But man, it was the same kind of thing. The amount of people entering, because it’s also like, man, all I have to do is say which one’s best. I’m gonna win a six, $700 console. This is a no brainer. But I mean, what…
Jeff Vanasdal (24:39.41)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (24:47.204)
Yes.
Jeff Vanasdal (24:57.936)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:59.735)
Yeah, what they spent on the giveaway of the console versus what they would have spent on the more expensive ads of doing more boring ads. It was night and day, like cost per lead was super low. But what you’re doing with AI behind that to really deepen the relationship, get more information from people, encourage them to share, do all the other things, really, really cool stuff. So as you…
As you’re growing like these businesses, what are some things that you see coming down the pike in terms of AI and how it’s going to impact businesses and, and, you know, local businesses even.
Jeff Vanasdal (25:38.226)
think a lot of it just comes down to education. Cause they don’t know a lot of people I have mentioned AI to them. They’re like, Oh, I don’t know. It might end the world. And it’s like the stuff we’re doing now, I mean, maybe it sounds scary, but it’s yeah. Like you said earlier, you just need to adopt it because it’s not out to take anyone’s jobs. It’s just make it easier. Like
Tyler Jorgenson (25:56.622)
Yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (26:02.926)
I’m sure you use ChatCity every day too. like you go in and make this email better or make the sales copy better. Like, and it’s, there’s so many use cases. It’s just educating the, I guess the public on how they can actually use it to their advantage rather than being scared and not doing anything with it.
Tyler Jorgenson (26:23.383)
Yeah, it’s okay to be scared of it a little bit, but it’s not okay to be so scared that you’re not learning because it’s yeah, if you have if you’ve been ignoring AI, you’re way behind. But even if you’ve been paying attention, if you you know, I was busy last month. Well, there’s a lot to catch up on. So Jeff, to me, business is about not just about business, right? It’s about creating the life for yourself that you truly love. What’s one item on your
Jeff Vanasdal (26:40.87)
Yo, yeah, really quick.
Tyler Jorgenson (26:51.097)
personal bucket list that you’re going to accomplish in the next 12 months.
Jeff Vanasdal (26:56.806)
My personal list. Man, let’s travel and more.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:03.469)
Yeah, you have somewhere you want to go?
Jeff Vanasdal (27:07.568)
Yeah, Hawaii. I’ve never been to Hawaii, so that’d be cool. Yeah. But yeah, definitely traveling more and working on my hobby brands too. It’s like, I have a couple of magazines that the YouTube mag, four mag just like building up Jeeps and side by side and the YouTube. That’s one of the things I’m super passionate about and I always have been.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:11.212)
That’s a good one.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:25.945)
Very cool.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:31.801)
Yeah, for sure. Well, I think that’s cool, man. Hopefully you get that travel happening. Do you have a passport? Okay, that’s important to know. then, yeah, travel is a huge part. think travel is wildly freeing for the entrepreneur’s mind. It just allows you to disconnect from your location and have new ideas. I always come back from trips energized and like ready to do amazing things. And then working on those passion projects is great, man.
Jeff Vanasdal (27:38.684)
Yeah, yeah.
Jeff Vanasdal (27:56.828)
same.
Tyler Jorgenson (28:00.183)
Jeff, where should people go if they want to learn more about you?
Jeff Vanasdal (28:04.954)
Instagram is probably the best place. Jeff and all still on all the platforms. Kind of hard to spell my last name, but hopefully. Yeah. Instagram, Facebook, and then YouTube trying to come up with some more content. Pushing that out and really educating the people on what they could be doing with AI and how to make more money with it for their business.
Tyler Jorgenson (28:12.055)
We’ll get it linked here. Yeah, we’ll…
Tyler Jorgenson (28:34.017)
I love it. Thank you so much for coming out, Jeff, and for sharing your entrepreneurial story with everybody. I hope that people are a little bit less scared of AI and employed in their business here soon. To all my entrepreneurs, my biz ninjas, wherever you are listening, it’s your turn to go out and do something.
