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Gerry Cottle 0:00
We call ourselves social cinema. We call ourselves people cinema. You can literally go onto our social channels and ask to see a movie. And if it gets enough comments, like, we’ll show it to you. You can’t do that in any main cinema, and that’s what it’s about. It’s about bringing the social community back to film.
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Tyler Jorgenson 0:53
Welcome out to BizNinja entrepreneur Radio. I’m your host, Tyler Jorgensen. And today, we have Jerry Caudill, who has founded one of the coolest businesses that I’ve seen in a while, and I see businesses every day, every week, all the time. I see. You know, I see another, another cookie place or another make-your-own pizza place. But this is amazing. Jerry has founded Rooftop Cinema club.com. And they are taking on the entertainment space, they’re taking on cinema, but not having to open these massive venues and all this and deal with all this real estate. So welcome to the show. Jerry. We’re super excited to chat with you.
Gerry Cottle 1:33
Yeah. Thanks, Tyler. A pleasure to be here. Really appreciate the support. Thank you.
Tyler Jorgenson 1:37
So you got a great accent. I think that’s from Nashville.
Gerry Cottle 1:41
Nashville, London in Nashville. Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson 1:44
Awesome. So you’re over here taking over American cinema. How did you get this idea.
Gerry Cottle 1:50
So to be honest, Rooftop Cinema clubs and open-air film experience screening, classic cult and recent film releases. But really what for me and open-air cinema has been around honestly, for over 100 years. You know, in the early 1900s. When you first saw, I think Australia, some of the first kind of areas where it’s seen. And for me, I wanted to I’m born in entertainment. And so I’m from a circus background. So I’ve always loved entertainment. When I was traveling with the services as a kid, I always watched you know, we couldn’t get TV very much because we couldn’t get the area working. It was in a farmer’s field in the middle of nowhere. Those are the days. So I’ve watched a lot of film, I’ve got a lot of VHS back in those days. So I combined my love of entertaining with my love of film, and create the experience. But really, what it started for was I wanted to relive my favorite movies. So when I was young, I loved movies like top down and back to the future and day dancing and the Goonies. They were like 87, late 80s movies, those I couldn’t see those movies. And I said I was too young. So I wanted to go see their favorite movies on the big screen. And I wanted to do with a beer in my hand. So I literally found this rooftop in London, I put up a screen I bought of a Maitre, I started playing my my DVD collection that if they sell those things anymore, do they. And that’s what it was, it was a passion to do great events and sharing those moments. But it really was about seeing film, seeing my favorite movies in a whole new light, getting off the sofa, getting out seeing them probably for the 10th or 20th time, but in a whole new setting brings back the magic.
Tyler Jorgenson 3:15
It really does it changes the experience seeing a movie on the big screen versus seeing on and everyone watches on their phones now. So it’s such a it’s not like you’re moving from a a TV to the big screen, you’re moving from a tiny screen to the big screen. What? Now there had to have been some challenges, as you were, you know, navigating this right getting permission to be on roofs, getting making sure there was enough chairs and headphones and all these kinds of things. When you pivoted from doing this as a hobby and a passion into a business. What was the biggest challenge that you had to overcome? And how did you overcome it?
Gerry Cottle 3:47
So there’s kind of two parts of that. And thanks for the great question is so in England, really the biggest challenge straightaway was the weather, you know, the enemy, the weather, let’s be honest, London’s not known for its weather, many other things. But so for me, one thing was the weather with that it was a basically, we just had to kind of see how, you know, we learn off the public off members of the public. And we created this system where we put the power into the public’s hands. So you can least be rain or shine in the UK, not here in the States and slightly different. We actually can’t deal with any rain. But we’ve made sure that we create a system where people could cancel as they’re coming up to the screening. We inform them of how you know how we’re going to approach the night. And so really, people never felt that they were going to go through a bad experience. So that was a learning curve is funny because in England when we started canceling people were complaining that they wanted to come they don’t mind a bit of drizzle. So we actually had to make it certain screening went on but you had a choice to cancel here in the States. You know people it’s very important especially in places like LA where you know, the rain is a big factor because it doesn’t rain very much. Here we we have our system where we monitor the weather both online on apps, but also our managers on site. And we we make a call. The big thing is we make sure we give people the best experience so we don’t If it’s heavy rain will definitely cancel with a bit of drizzle, we let people know that said they want to come. And that was number one. The other big fact that we had in the early days was sound, we’re on a rooftop, we’re in built up areas. So open-air cinemas always been, you know, a castle somewhere or, you know, a special location next year and ice lake or something like that. But obviously, sound wasn’t such a problem here. We had our neighbors literally next door to the venue, and oh, my God, we’ve got to keep the neighbors happy. And so not joking. About 10 days before I was about to start my first cinema, the owners came along, come in, they said, Jerry said, we’ve got a problem. We don’t upset the neighbors, you’ve got to use something else, you know, and I’m like, Oh, my God, this is it. I’m finished. What can I do? Anyway, I thought about it. And I thought, Well, can I plug some headphones in to a big box, and that just didn’t. So that’s gonna be an absolute mess. So I ended up getting silent disco headphones. And I put these headphones on. And the first screening I did was a screening of Stand By Me. And if you know that film, it’s 89 minutes long. It’s probably one of the shortest movies you can play. And the reason I did that was I thought, I don’t know what people are going to think about this. And as most things have crisis comes opportunity, you know, when you’re doing business, and actually, at the end of the screening, people walked up, they said, I love the headphones. They’re amazing. I’m in the film, the wind doesn’t disturb the sound, there’s no rustling sweet packets. And so what was an absolute catastrophe at the beginning, become one of our USPS. And now, even if we can play amplified sound, we don’t we always use our headphones, and we’re known for introducing this animal,
Tyler Jorgenson 6:28
you’re in quite a few locations, you’re you got to two locations in London, than you’re in Chicago, Fort Worth, Houston, Miami, LA, San Diego, New York, you got quite a few locations, when did you realize okay, this is something that we’re actually going to take in and grow.
Gerry Cottle 6:43
In the early days, I read that book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. And I really enjoyed that. And it really taught me to kind of move across different different jobs, different experiences. And I got, you know, I went to work for some big bright brand names. And every time I got a job offer I moved on. So I really sort of created created this knowledge of how to run events and marketing. So I think within the first week, I did a special kind of 50% off offer. And then within within a week, it just started selling out and it started selling out, you know, in a matter of hours. I think that was the first thing I’ve got, okay, great. This is this has caught the imagination got some really good PR for it, use my skills that I’ve learned over the previous 10 years. But I suppose the moment when I really keen to think maybe this could be something bigger was when, in the second year, the start a second year, American Express came to me and they said, Look, we are concierge service, which is when he called up. And you could ask for tickets for anything. They’re inundated with calls, you’ve gotta remember, this was one venue with 150 people in London, huge, mega city. So it was really sought after they came to admit we want to sponsor you because we won’t get access to your tickets. So that was fantastic for me to be associated with such an amazing, amazing, you know, brands marketplace, great for them. Because again, you know, special access for their customers. So that’s when it really felt like, you know, I think I’m onto something here. And we started working together. And they were our first major sponsor. And yeah, that’s when I really knew there was potential for this to grow bigger and bigger. And then I just kept knocking on doors, right? Yeah,
Tyler Jorgenson 8:08
that’s pretty amazing. So you had one spot 150? You know, what are you doing one screening a night? So two or three screenings a week? Or were you at that point? We’re already really nightly? Or is it kind of a week?
Gerry Cottle 8:21
No, no. So it started off I think five nights a week with the venue but we literally so boosted up to seven nights a week but in London with a sunset so late. This is another reason I can talk validate why we came to the states in the US but was we do one one night. So recently, if you screen it, maybe 20 past nine in the evening, but the time of sunsets are again a really difficult place to do outdoor cinema, but kind of the birth of this. That’s the irony is like, yeah, give up always try things. So that was it. Really. Yeah. So we started doing one screening seven days a week and we ran for the whole summer next summer, I added another venue in Kensington. And then from there when we built up to five venues in London, and eventually, you know, came over to New York and LA in 2015, kind of four years after we started in London.
Tyler Jorgenson 9:03
I love it. Yeah, so I’m checking out on your site. Now you’ve got upcoming shows, you’ve got dirty dancing and Pulp Fiction. You got Jurassic Park, Lala Land, you know, as you move from projecting your own DVDs into you know, a, you know, probably doing things more, you know, on the up and up as you navigate licensing and these kinds of things. Was that hard to figure out?
Gerry Cottle 9:29
Yeah, well, luckily, actually. So in the UK, in the UK, it’s a you know, it’s all by one source film by they own it. And that’s all the studios together. Over in America is a great company called swag we work closely with so we built those relationships. The biggest thing for us is kind of understanding what works and that really has been experimentation. What I love about this industry, but also he’s kind of my biggest bugbear is you never know really what people are thinking. So I play films like Top Gun and you mentioned don’t ask and they just you know they’ve been selling for 10 years and people still they’re just so close. to people’s hearts, you know those movies. And then sometimes I’ve done a search, I used to go out a lot and ask people, What do you want to see, we call ourselves Social Center, we call up sales, people cinema, you can literally go on through our social channels and ask to see a movie. And if it gets enough comments, like, we’ll show it for you, you cannot do that in any main cinema. And that’s what it’s about. It’s about bringing the social community back to film. And we really want you know, we program what we think is great. And I must say one of our biggest things that I’m proud of is our program is constantly evolving. We’re always supporting diversity, or supporting great directors, different areas of film, because it’s so important. And we’ve always done that. But really, where it becomes challenging is, you know, for example, I spent ages trying to get the rights to flight of the Navigator, which I loved as a kid, I loved that movie, and started playing it didn’t sell and like, everyone loves this movie. I just some movies, just you know, Little Shop of Horrors never never sold. And there’s other movies you put on and they just live on forever. So yes, you can normally find movies that you think people are gonna like you don’t know until you play them. One thing I would say with rooftop is you know, we’re really about escapism, all films about escapism, right. With us. It’s about getting there early socializing, you know, talking about your favorite film, and then watching the big screen of sunsets and the stars put the sparkle. And that’s what makes it very, very different. But yeah, there’s a constant search to what people want. But this feel good movies that really worked for us. We found over the years, they’re the ones people really let their hair down at the end of a hard day’s work. Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson 11:28
It’s great. Now in the traditional cinema, a lot of the money is made in concessions. Right. So in this situation, are you guys controlling the concessions? Or is this a partnership you have with the venue’s? How are you? How are you navigating that part of the business?
Gerry Cottle 11:44
Yeah, like you mentioned, I just, you know, you’re right. Soul wants to me a cinema is a glorified sweatshop. So it’s like, and actually, that’s a very true segue. And now since I’ve run a cinema business, I have necessarily been paying a high amount for popcorn, because really, that’s where the money is made. The good news with our business model, and always happy to share is, again, it’s a variation, but we have a mix, we still pay high film rates, and so that you have to do that. But because we’re not paying new releases the rate we normally know what are our margins aren’t. So that makes a big difference where new releases when they come out, they can vary from you know, anything from 50 to I’ve been told 90% I don’t know if that’s true. But that, you know, I think when the James Bonds come out and stuff like that, there’s a variation. Least with us, we know what our percentages are, we can work on that. And then yes, food and drink is an important part because that’s really were the icing on the cake, the drinks, the alcohol, the popcorn, the sweets, that’s where we make our money. But we’re luckily we just have a bit more knowledge. The big difference in our business model is that the studios, which we love, and we work closely with, obviously, when a new release comes out a normal cinema has to play, you know, Fast and Furious 10 coming out next year or jurassic world with us. We don’t we’re not kind of dictated to about what we have to play. We we take film, and we say, Look, guys, we think you’re going to love Top Gun, you know, and we’re going to do it in this way. I’m going to have DJ with it. And we’re going to do this, you know, themed party afterwards, we take the movies we love and we give breathed new life into them. I think really for the studios. I think it’s great business, you’ve got to these are films that 15 years ago weren’t shown in the cinema anymore. Or if he did see them, he saw them in some Allentown film. You know, we’ve been very lucky and proud to be able to bring them back and give them the second sharing they deserve.
Tyler Jorgenson 13:29
You’re taking your experience. I didn’t know that you had a background in circus, right. But the circus isn’t just the one moment in the middle of the circus, right? The main ring, there’s the sideshows. And there’s the other end, the smaller rings and the end, the whole experience comes together to make it a circus, that memorable childhood experience, right? That maybe doesn’t happen as much anymore. But instead of just showing up watching a movie leaving, you’ve really transformed the whole experience into an event and bringing back that escapism into really what we need today. I feel like that’s for me, I feel like that’s what retail needs to have happen. And that’s what a lot of the in person commerce needs to have is what can happen there that can only happen there. Right? And that is the social and that is the the experiential. So I think that’s really really cool. How are you deciding where you go next? How are you exciting ma seems like you’re you’ve got quite a few locations, but there’s probably a good amount of demand. How are you picking where to go?
Gerry Cottle 14:28
So firstly, one of the reasons I came to the glorious United States a I spent a lot of childhood here. I love it. I used to travel and my family that used to get a mini bus about 10 of us. We used to go to Denny’s which everyone laughed at me about you stop up at Denny’s go around Vegas, you know go all around all over all over America. So I love that side of it. But really, within Season Three in England I was stood on my rooftop one day and I was bringing out my socks. They were that wet from the rain. And I thought this is great. And we have our moments here and it still breaks itself. for them does a great job in London. And, you know, we just like I said, we just navigate the room. And I thought there’s got to be more to this. And so I came to America. And the first thing we wanted to do, we actually did start in New York, because we thought is this kind of closest thing to London to test the formula, but after that, it was about going to the Sunshine State. So over the California, and you know, we do in Texas, we’re also in Miami, opened up in Miami. Okay, we do things like Chicago as well. And obviously, they’re shorter seasons. So we do do both sides of the business. But the key thing for us is, is making sure that I think initially is to get those longer seasons. That’s number one. So can we build our core business in the longest season? Number two, just great cities that have modern cities, you know, from Houston, all the way even places like Fort Worth, it’s got a great nightlife, it’s a modern city, people are going out there enjoying things, they, they want to spend their money to do something different. We just look for cities that are bustling, have a good sense of having fun wanting to have good restaurants, good bars, etc. Because we’re part of that kind of experience nighttime economy.
Tyler Jorgenson 15:59
Yeah, that makes sense. So have you do you consider yourself a lifelong entrepreneur? Are you an entertainer turned entrepreneur,
Gerry Cottle 16:08
so I’ve always loved business. So I grew up, even when I was at school, I was putting on parties. You know, when I say school, college, probably, it’s probably the best way to provide it. But I was hiring nightclubs and things like that I was always trying to, you know, put in parties on and then I was, you know, getting my friends, it was swordswoman was to come down and do an act on the stage. And so I got some sense, I think, luckily, because of my upbringing, that there was always a want or need to do something different. And so even though I spent many years you know, in London, doing marketing, PR and events and stuff like that, there was always a thirst and want to do something different and create something fun or exciting. I just knew that. As soon as I started on, working on rooftop that I’d rather work 15 hours for myself, two hours for someone else. And there was always happiness, I suppose that answers the entrepreneur. Plus, also, my dad been a very successful businessman and touring shows and stuff. From a very young age, I’d go into his office for hours at a time sitting there reading his books, reading all the you know, the science of selling and just all these different ways. So I suppose I was very happy kind of I had this sense that I wanted to make sure I’ve educated myself before I started my business. So I definitely did that in my late 20s. But there was always a burning desire to do my own thing. If I answered a question. So I was like, yeah, yeah. I want to get the education first.
Tyler Jorgenson 17:24
Yeah. What’s one business lesson that you learned from the circus that you still apply today?
Gerry Cottle 17:34
Well, the big one really is. And this is something that my dear dad told me was, he used to say to me, Jerry, you can have a kettle that balls in a second, you can have one of the greatest inventions in the world. But if no one knows it’s there, it doesn’t matter. And I think you know, no one’s invented to tell the bulls in the second just yet. But the point is, I think a lot of people have great ideas. And they assume that because it’s great idea that it’s going to work. That’s not true. There’s many great ideas out there. It’s about how you announce it and the way that you create. So he was very big on that almost, you know, PT Barnum, I think was they say, as America’s first millionaire, he was he’s very much that PT Barnum School of training, which is you’ve got great ideas and make sure you find ways to communicate that to the wider to the wider audience. So he told me a lot about promotion, awareness, having fun, not taking yourself too seriously. You know, laughing at yourself trying different things, taking risks, calculated risks. So that’s I think the circus is all about that rather, circus is the original place, you know, the, the sort of swallow that we all the bearded lady originally all the way through to having the fantastic x and the animal x and the Flying Trapeze as it was all about these wow factor that created something special and gave those lasting memories do you know, boys and girls with mums and dads so I think the promotional side, the awareness, the not resting on your laurels was the big thing from there. And I think as we go, and also it showbusiness things change, it was very predictable. So getting into business, yes, you may have a plan, but it’s planted into the first casualty, making sure you’re able to be to adapt to the changing landscapes and doing it with a smile. I’ve always, you know, saved my team. When things change, yes, we, you know, we can look at it and go, that’s unfortunate. But let’s look at how we can make it better. Because while you know, if we’re moaning about it, our competitor is finding ways to solve the problem. So try not to moan about it for too long and get on with finding a solution. And that adaptive way of working in the circus was huge. Sometimes, we, you know, we get stuck in the mud. We do have to pull the trailers out. Let me be late for the next round. But we had to find ways to keep going at the contract to keep trucking. There was a real that kind of real coming together really making things happen against all the odds was very prevalent in the service world.
Tyler Jorgenson 19:45
I think you just hit two of the most important things about entrepreneurship that I think the two that get overlooked probably the most, which I think is really significant that those are the two that you hit on. So one you hit on promotion, right. You said the idea Like, what your Who’s your father that that taught you that lesson? Yeah, yeah. And it’s pretty because there’s a saying here that I hear at business schools all the time. That’s, you know, if you if you just invent a better mousetrap, the entire world will beat down their door to find it. And I’m like, no, they don’t even know it exists. Like, if they don’t know that you’ve invented the better mousetrap, no one is going to give you $1, right, you have to promote the better mousetrap, right? That’s usually not the best product wins, usually the best marketing wins, right? And then the second one of adaptability, so many first round entrepreneurs think that if something doesn’t work right the first time, that means it’s a bad idea or a bad product, and they should just call it and they tuck their tail between their legs and run home. But really adaptability, the ability to pivot and adjust and listen, and I, my favorite thing, so far of everything that you guys are doing is how you listen to the customers. Hey, you, you guys have said you want that? That movie? Like if there’s enough comments, we’ll do it right, like building your community to help enhance the product for the community. It’s such a great virtuous cycle.
Gerry Cottle 21:08
Yeah, love it. Yeah, you know, start with the customer work backwards. All these different factors we get taller, but we must not forget as we go forward in business, is that thing is that you can read things, you know, I try and simplify things in business, I put them into three parts, it’s people, customers and finance. People, obviously great people to make sure you’re they’re building a business without them, you’re nothing. The customers, they’re, you know, more focused, they’re paying the bills, they, you know, making sure they they come in to your, your, your product, or your show or whatever you’re doing. And of course, you know, watching costs, making sure the bottom line is good. So you can keep the business afloat. And but really, it’s Yeah, your point is, the customers are part of that key, those key factors.
Tyler Jorgenson 21:45
Which one of those three people customers and finance? Do you find that you need the most help with? And how are you getting that support?
Gerry Cottle 21:52
Oh, you asked the question. So I think people I think it’s, you know, there’s lots of great people out there. But it’s, it’s finding good people, there’s lots of great people out there. And but yeah, it’s just takes time, obviously, lots of good people that are in good places. So I think it’s very hard customers. Both really, it’s it’s just not also taking them for granted. It’s constantly looking at ways to improve what you’re doing. We’re always so customer focus from literally the research we do through our social channels to the you know, like listening to them. It’s so important. I think, also there is this idea that we’re not going to post it yet as brands grow their customer base changes. And you’ve got to keep on top of that as well. And there’s the fact that when you have a new product, very often the you’ve got a certain customer, you’ve got to follow the movers and shakers get into it. But as your product gets bigger and becomes more successful, those people move around to another product, and you have another audience that comes in. And it’s how you track that. And you keep on top of that. It’s the constant engagement with the customer to make sure you are listening to them. But to me, that’s what I love about business. It’s so unpredictable. And that’s what makes it fun. It’s not, I think it’s not for the faint of heart. And I think a lot of them get that wrong. It’s great for sure. But I think everyone comes in and thinks, yeah, I want to go to the big networking events, that’s fine, we’ll go to some networking. But I can tell you now as my job, mostly what lands on my desk is a problem, not an invite to a show or a new event. And my job is a problem solving. I think just if you’re going to get into business, make sure you’ve got a good support network, potentially a CO CO partner as well to help you out. But also understand that it’s, you’re gonna have a lot of problems to solve, and enjoy solving problems. Otherwise, you’re in the wrong business.
Tyler Jorgenson 23:37
That’s for sure. So when you you got started with, you know, just a couple of ideas, but how big is your team now?
Gerry Cottle 23:43
Like? So Tim had about 150 Got about 150?
Tyler Jorgenson 23:47
So what what have you had to do differently as a leader with 150 team members versus when it was, you know, the first five or 10 of you?
Gerry Cottle 23:55
Yeah, that’s well, it’s systems ISN’T IT systems and approaches. So making sure we have good people and good systems. So we can we can get a good feedback and get good feedback straight off. And that’s the number one is you start to grow thing when you’re six or seven, you can do it there. Just making sure you’re good listener because I think you have a vision as well. But you’ve got to make sure that actually you’re not the expert in everything. And I learned very young as don’t have an ego and make sure you you know you hire people smarter than you. If so, I’ve got I’ve got some strengths. I know what my strengths are, but it’s making sure that yeah, I try and guide and but make sure I listen to my team leaders and when they’ve got a problem on this and I have an opinion because I also I’ve got some experience in that area. Hence the reason I’m where I am but really it’s about making sure you listen to be able to grow the team I think everyone just thinks you know, I’m the leader. Let’s go on with it’s been my way of hiring That’s so old fashioned, but normally people still still go towards that form of leadership. We’re very flat. You know, we run this very flat we make sure everyone has a ton of Me, I want to trust people, we delegate and make sure that people feel a part of something instead of just a cog in the machine, that’s just you. And so it’s growing. It’s about bringing that autonomy into all areas of the business, to help the team grow, help them. And I think also education has been a key factor, knowing that there’s more currencies and just pay. We made sure that funds one of our currency, who made your education as part of that mentorship to help grow that different people, not just the directors that the team needs, but also the younger members of the team. All those factors, so many currencies that motivate people, and just making sure you find time for those things. Because I think when you’re a startup, sometimes it is controlled chaos, and you are trying to pay the bills and get bums and seats, which we call it putting bums on seats and cinema. But you must stop and take a breath and make sure you’re harnessing the creative talent that surrounds you, and give me the deserve. They put their time and effort into just because you pay it doesn’t mean they should stay with you. You’ve got to give them more than that.
Tyler Jorgenson 25:57
I agree. I agree. Yeah. Now, I’m getting more than that, and giving more than that, to me, entrepreneurship isn’t the end all be all, but it’s about creating the lifestyle that you want and that you love. What is one item on Jerry’s personal bucket list that you’re going to accomplish in the next 12 months?
Gerry Cottle 26:13
Firstly, in terms of what I want to do in the business, no, not in the business. You personally, I’ve got good balance since you know COVID has helped me to balance myself more. I’ve got young family and I’ve always done my very best to be a good dad, I believe that being successful is about you know, in all areas in life, not just you know, running the business, great. I’ve run a business but I’m a good father, I want good husband, etc. Those things were me personally, what would I like to do? Honestly, I need to make sure I take quality time for myself. Sometimes I tend to have time off, but I’m still kind of one foot in working. So I need to make sure even though I spend quality weekends and evenings with the family, I need to have some unless that’s crazy, but absent actually. Some better holidays.
Tyler Jorgenson 26:57
That’s not crazy at all. That’s actually super important. Especially.
Gerry Cottle 27:01
Yeah, and I do I do have that there’s been times in the early days, I did that in times when we kind of hit COVID. And it was, you know, times of extreme stress. I have to kind of buck on and just put the hours in. But I want to get back to making sure there’s a balanced in the work life balance. Even though obviously, we’re running the company, I expect that things aren’t going to be a lot different. But that’s fine. That’s what I signed up for.
Tyler Jorgenson 27:21
Well, that makes sense. So I hope that you guys have enjoyed this episode and this interview with Jerry Rooftop Cinema Club. You can find them all over the socials. You can find them on on the internet, and but really, if you’re in one of those areas where they’re where they serve, you got to find them on a rooftop and go enjoy one of your favorite films. Bring it back to life. Jerry, thanks so much for coming out on the show and to all of my business ninjas wherever you’re listening, watching streaming or downloading, it’s your turn to go out and do something.
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