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Tyler Jorgenson (00:00.914)
Welcome out to Biz Ninja Entrepreneur Radio. I’m your host Tyler Jorgenson and today we have a absolute legend, a queen of, if you will, someone who has forged a path in the marketing world and created her very own entire like industry called Tiny Offers. And you used to hear about lead magnets or trip wires and they were always, it was always said that you couldn’t make money with those. That’s just how you grew leads.
But I want to welcome out to the show somebody who has completely changed that perspective. Welcome to the show, Allie Bjerk.
Allie (00:36.048)
What’s up Tyler? Thanks so much for having me. I’m really excited to be here. Thanks for that intro too. Very nice. I’m blushing. That was impressive. You don’t have to follow me around.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:39.986)
Yeah, I am. yeah, I just made it up. I’m like, we’ll see how this goes. Yeah. But it’s all true. Yeah, absolutely. The here is, you, you, you’re in a big space right now where you’re on stages and you’re very well known. But if we zoom backwards, when was that first moment in your life where you realized you were an entrepreneur?
Allie (01:04.464)
probably about two months into my first job out of college, you know, just working for somebody else and having rules on when I needed to come back from lunch break and people watching what I was doing and just not feeling very motivated, knowing. And I worked for an agency that was my very first job in marketing. And I just remember seeing the discrepancy between what they were charging the client and what they were paying me and being like, wait a minute, this is, you know, it was like a hundred dollars difference on what they were keeping and what they were paying me. And
That was kind of really early on where it planted that seed of, man, what if I was out on my own or I did this by myself? Could I charge that much money and just keep it? Of course, I didn’t really understand business yet and expenses and overhead and all that stuff. But I mean, it seemed like a good idea at the time. So pretty early on, right out of college.
Tyler Jorgenson (01:51.666)
Yeah, you just knew it didn’t, you didn’t quite fit that show up and do what you’re told mold. And so what was your first, you know, soiree into business and entrepreneurship?
Allie (02:03.728)
I started doing some freelancing. I had a background in graphic design. So I started doing some design and social media management. This is back in 2012. So really social media marketing and ads and funnels were kind of all coming onto the scene around that time. And I started with what I knew, which was SEO and social media. And I just kept expanding my skillset. And then I’d learned how to run ads. And then I learned how to build funnels. And then I learned how to be.
on camera and be visible, because that was really hard for me in the beginning. So I think, you know, at least it’s been 12 years now of expanding on skillset after skillset and just, you know, helping me get to this point. So it’s been a, it’s been a long journey so far. Good one, but long.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:44.53)
Yeah, along that journey, what was one of the biggest challenges that you had to face and how’d you overcome it?
Allie (02:51.536)
I think how challenging it would all be without even realizing what running a business really looked like. Having clients to manage, I went from having one boss to having like 15 bosses, because I was a freelancer and all of a sudden I was just working way harder than I thought I was going to be. I thought it’d be easier having my own business, but it was way, way, way harder. So I think it was like a bit of a rude awakening that I had to get used to and just how much was required of me to…
know everything about marketing and being visible and sales and managing. And it wasn’t just one thing I had to learn. It was all these different hats that I was suddenly wearing. And that was a pretty tough adjustment for a while.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:33.938)
Yeah, big time. Now I know that you’ve been in some masterminds and mentorships and things like that, but you’ve also gone out and forged your own path many times. How do you determine when you’re going to listen to the advice of somebody else versus when you’re going to just be the pioneer?
Allie (03:51.824)
That’s such a good question. It’s such a balance and I haven’t gotten it right every time. I’ve definitely taken bad advice. I’ve implemented wrong business models at the advice consultants and gotten into some tough situations in business just from somebody who didn’t have the context of everything. So I think through all of that, I realized there’s a huge gut instinct in all of it and a lot of intuition and feeling into things on what feels right or what doesn’t feel right. Every time I didn’t listen to my gut and I just listened to what the…
consultant or mastermind runner or whoever expert told me what to do, if there was some element of like that’s not quite the right fit, it always ended up falling apart. Like if I had just listened to my intuition and trusted that voice a little bit deeper, it probably would have worked out better.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:38.194)
That makes sense. So I want you to tell the listeners here, what is a tiny offer? Give us kind of, that’s a big thing that you push right now. Give us the backstory of how you created it. What is it? And is it for everybody?
Allie (04:55.984)
Yeah, those are really good questions. So the tiny offer is a strategy. It’s a lead generation strategy that’s based on being able to run ads to a low ticket front end product that helps you build your email list full of highly qualified people who are already warmed up. They already know who you are. And then you have this amazing email list full of buyers, you know, they say people who pay pay attention. So there there’s this list of people who are
really paying attention to what you’re doing. And then it’s so much easier in the coaching space is where I work specifically like coaching to sell your other coaching programs or your higher ticket masterminds. So much easier when people are already warmed up and familiar with you and they’ve already gotten a big win from buying your tiny offer and implementing the tiny offer. So that’s, that’s what evolved into being originally, I, I wasn’t ready to launch a high ticket offer and the tiny offer was like the best thing I could get myself to do. I was used to.
being behind the scenes of other people’s businesses, you know, as a marketer and a creative. And I really wanted a funnel baby of my very own and I wanted to sell something, but I was really uncomfortable and I didn’t like being on camera. I didn’t like being in front of people. So I was like, I’m just going to launch this little thing and run ads straight to it. So I don’t have to talk to anybody. I don’t have to do anything. Like I’m just going to sell it on autopilot. And it ended up that tiny offer ended up, it was a $27 product and ended up grossing 10 K in like my first two weeks running it.
And that was way more money than I was making as a service provider. I was maxing out at like maybe, you know, six, $7 ,000 a month at that time. So from there, people were watching this happen and they watched it go from 10K a month to 90K a month. And I was like mind blown. So I was posting on social media, like, look at what my ad spend’s doing. I spent $1 and I made $3 and now I spent $10 and made 30. And it just kept growing until I was making six figure months from this $27 product.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:17.586)
Wow.
Allie (06:47.088)
And of course it, you know, it’s a whole offer suite. So it’s got upsells and it had an order bump. So it wasn’t, wasn’t just this $27 product. It ended up being about a hundred dollar cart value for the whole thing. But people kept asking and they’re like, will you teach me this? Like teach me the ads, teach me how to build this product, teach me the funnel. And I was like, no dude, I don’t want to, I don’t want to be in the front, super uncomfortable. And enough people kept asking that I, I created a course and I like hit it on the back.
end of my website. I’m like, somebody finds this, they can buy it and they can learn the strategy, whatever. Again, I didn’t want to be in front of people. And I had a friend who found the course and he was like, Allie, like, what are you doing? You should teach this as a group coaching program. You need to be really loud about it, make it a whole thing. And I was so resistant. It was so outside of my comfort zone. But he told me he’s like, I’ll build all the tech. You just show up and you, you pitch this, this thing live. Like I’ll tell you what to say. You build the offer. And so we built a $5 ,000 coaching program.
And I think we sold 35 spots the very first time that I pitched it. So the math, you know, cash collected, it was like $130 ,000. I was like, tiny offers are great. It’s really fun to make $27, but group coaching programs were also really fun to sell. So again, it was a lot of growing into that role, just through people requesting it and learning how to.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:53.75)
You
Allie (08:06.896)
be the head of a Zoom room that had 100 people staring at you, looking for answers and trying to make sure you answered everyone’s questions. And, you know, it was such an exercise of continuing to be so out of your comfort zone, but being up for the challenge anyway. And so the last part of the question that I didn’t answer, if it’s for everyone, I’m highly biased, but I think everybody needs some sort of liquidation product for ads right now, especially, I mean, everything is more expensive with advertising.
Tyler Jorgenson (08:22.194)
You’ve, yeah.
Allie (08:36.24)
getting people to a challenge or getting people to a webinar, show up rates are dismal. Everything seems like it’s just not working as well. So if you can have some type of tiny thing that liquidates that ad spending gets them on your list, it’s a much easier way to scale, especially these days. So yeah, I think they do.
Tyler Jorgenson (08:53.618)
Yeah, definitely lowers the risk. Yeah, for sure. You’ve mentioned a couple of times things like needing to overcome the fear or the discomfort of showing up on camera, needing to overcome the fear or discomfort of leading a Zoom room or doing these things, right? So I think every step of our entrepreneurial growth requires a new version of us, but how did you become more comfortable doing these things?
Allie (09:20.624)
One of my, this is born from tiny offers, but one of my favorite views on life is just start tiny. I mean, I didn’t, I originally, I couldn’t even do a Skype interview with some of this was Skype. So it’s way back, you know, how long I’ve been doing it. This is pre -Zoom. And if, when I was in the service based line of work, people like say, let’s get on Skype. We’ll see if it’s a good fit for this project. And I would say, sorry, I’m not going to do Skype.
Tyler Jorgenson (09:35.346)
Sure, sure.
Allie (09:48.976)
If you want to hire me, you have to email me. Like that’s how I do things. But it was because I was so scared of camera, which is so weird now. But what I ended up doing, I realized that this is a point of resistance or a block that I had and that it was holding me back. And until I could get over this thing, I wasn’t going to go anywhere else. I was just going to stay stuck. So I ended up doing, I think 30 different coffee chats with people that I’d met in Facebook groups. I just put it out into Facebook groups and I said,
Hey, I’m an extrovert, I’m an entrepreneur, I work in my basement. If you want to get on a coffee chat on Skype, like let’s chat. And I ended up wanting to cancel every call just because I hated Skype so much, but I went through with it. And not only did I build some really good relationships with the people that I had these coffee chats with, but by the 29th or 30th coffee chat, it was not a big deal anymore to be on camera, I was over it. So it was, I think every time I…
I saw a step beyond where I was and there was some point of resistance of like, I can’t do that thing because I’m not able to blank. Whatever the blank was, I always found a way to get myself to do the thing, usually by starting tiny. Like the point of least resistance, whatever I could force myself to do, I just would take it head on and try to overcome it.
Tyler Jorgenson (11:05.586)
Yeah, I like that. So it was almost like, you know, a Skype call had such resistance and it probably was amplified if the call had consequence, right? It was like, okay, if I do a poor job on this call, I’m not going to get the job or whatever it is, but a coffee chats the same thing, but with less consequence potentially, right? So I love that idea of starting tiny and just, but you have to eventually just do the things that you are uncomfortable with. What are you working on today?
Allie (11:31.952)
Yeah, totally.
Tyler Jorgenson (11:33.33)
what’s going on in the world of Alibier.
Allie (11:36.56)
So everything that I am doing today is a tiny offer of some form. I mean, we have, now I have a, you know, a team and I have my own tiny offers that I’m selling still, still running my own ads. I have a group coaching program where I teach tiny offers and also the done for you side where we’re building the entire offer suite for people. So it’s kind of funny because people talk about choosing a niche and usually they talk about, you know, choosing a person that you work with, but I’ve.
I’ve niched into this tiny offer thing. So now all of my offers involve that in some way, shape or form. So it’s another, another way to niche is by like funnel type or a specific way to do business.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:13.618)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I, you know, for a long time, I was a funnel builder in like the ClickFunnels community and all of that. And I’ve owned a lot of different businesses. So I’ve done a lot, a lot of different things, but it’s hard. It was always hard for me to niche down in terms of like what type of business I work with, but I love the idea of these are the types of funnels I do.
And I think, or this is the type of offers I help people build. And I think that’s really, really cool. Now you listed a lot of things when I said you’re working on now, how big is your team? Like, are you working a billion hours a week? How are you balancing things right now?
Allie (12:55.248)
Yeah, it’s still a pretty lean and mighty team. We’ve got about five now between contractors and full time. I went through, definitely went through some different business models and different stages of growth. I think at my peak, I had a team of, I think it was 15 people. It was like $80 ,000 a month in payroll and we’re scaling to the moon. This was like February of 2020. We had our biggest month and then March, 2020, we all know what happened, right? And I think just,
experiencing the stress of managing a huge coaching program and a massive team and running ads and trying to show up when I’m home. I have three kids, so homeschooling my three kids all of a sudden. It really made me think about what I wanted my business model to look like. So I scaled way back. I almost went back to my service providing roots for a little while. And it was a lot of like belief stuff and probably hitting my upper limit and imposter syndrome and like a bunch of other mindset stuff that we all experience. So I tested it.
Tyler Jorgenson (13:52.562)
Yeah.
Allie (13:53.904)
different business model for a couple of years, more membership based, less focused on group coaching, still running my tiny offers the entire time. So I had, you know, consistent revenue coming in on the, you know, more the digital or passive income side. So I had a little bit of room to decide what I wanted it to look like. But now probably ever since the beginning of the year, I’ve gone back into really wanting to scale a team again and get back to where it was pre -COVID. So it took me a little while to…
get back into it, but testing, you know, working by myself versus working with a team, I way prefer working with a team. Like it’s fun to have camaraderie and just, you know, when you’re an entrepreneur and you’re by yourself all the time anyway, it’s nice to have somebody that you can chitchat with on Slack or, you know, bounce ideas off of instead of being the lone decision maker of the company.
Tyler Jorgenson (14:42.994)
Yeah, for sure. Well, what’s interesting is there’s often the different roles, right? The visionary, the integrator. It sounds like you really wear both hats a lot of times. Like where you build funnels, you do your own ads you mentioned a couple of times. How do you manage when to give yourself room? When to give yourself grace? When to let go? How do you just determine when to do that?
Allie (15:00.528)
Yeah.
Allie (15:10.64)
That’s a really good question. I think when I start realizing I’m avoiding doing things or I’m starting to drop the ball in certain areas, like on the ad side, if I know I haven’t updated the creative of the ads for a while and then performance is starting to slip, but I can’t, haven’t made the time to prioritize getting in there, then I can tell it’s time to at least in some capacity, bring a team member in to either design different creative or even just have me be on the strategy side, almost the creative director and they go in and actually manage the ads or build the ads out. I think,
I’ve, when I, when I was scaling really hard, back in 2020, all the advice to get in consultant advice that I was getting is remove yourself as much as possible. Like don’t let people talk to you, put the velvet rope around your time and the team can just handle all of it. But because I, you know, I like, I like people, I like being involved in hearing what their experience is like in the program. I started getting really apathetic about just what I was building because I was too far removed from it. Like the team was hesitating to.
Involve me in decisions because that was the advice the consultant had given me like just teach them how to make their own choices and just let it run. But then I was like sitting here like, I wonder what everybody’s doing today. What are we, what are they building? How are the clients doing? You know, it was like I had sequestered myself too much. So again, that’s, that’s also that gut instinct of what do you want to do? What’s right for your personality, for how you want to build a business. But I think as visionaries, we can also.
have, you know, Les McKeown, he wrote this book, Predictable Success. He talks about visionaries as arsonists. Like, I think I can definitely waver on the arsonist side of visionary if I, if I’m left alone to just my ideas too many times, you know, it’s like, ooh, I could build that funnel or that shiny object. It’s like black belt syndrome when you know all the things and then you want to do too many things. So I think having a team also pulls me back from too much spaghetti throwing and
Tyler Jorgenson (16:44.53)
I’ve heard the book.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:01.202)
Yeah.
Allie (17:08.624)
and keeps my funnel blinders on a little bit more too.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:12.466)
Yeah. And it’s a tough thing because you know, you want to chase all of these fun ideas. You want to like see how things work. A lot of the joy of being a visionary is the idea that you just can create. but you know, the reality is we can’t create everything, right? We don’t do it. We just, we have finite time and energy. yeah. What is something that you, you really got excited about building that just maybe you spend a ton of time on it and it didn’t work out.
Allie (17:30.032)
Right.
Sadly, yes.
Allie (17:43.344)
there have been lots of tiny offers that I’ve launched that didn’t do as well as I wanted, or even ones that I was really excited about and maybe didn’t attract the right backend attention. So it looked like they were working on the front, but I always want to make sure we’re building the right to the right like psychographics where it’s a person who will join a group coaching program. And so I built and scaled one tiny offer and we were talking to all of the buyers and they were all wanting to start a business, not actually.
business owners, right? So then any of my higher ticket stuff is never going to make sense for them because they’re still trying to make their first dollar. So I think some of my biggest failures, and I think Russell Brunson says like even he, like one out of 10 funnels he launches works the way he wants it to for maybe it was three out of 10. I don’t remember one of them. They don’t all work right away. So I think, I think the thing that I’ve been most excited about lately too is I’ve been doing way more testing and way more split.
Tyler Jorgenson (18:13.682)
yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (18:40.402)
Hmm.
Allie (18:40.944)
split tests, different ads to different versions of the page with slightly different messaging than the other page has. And just having the, I think probably the experience and the bandwidth at this point to think about it like that instead of my first one was like, my gosh, I hope this works like this. This is my one shot. This is all I got. I hope it’s successful where now it’s, I know I can launch a lot of different versions at the same time. And then cherry pick like, okay, this one worked because this was the headline. This worked because this button color, whatever.
Tyler Jorgenson (18:58.674)
Yeah.
Allie (19:09.936)
So that’s been really fun.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:12.146)
It’s incredibly important for people to hear what you just said, that lots of times, even the queen of tiny offers, the tiny offer doesn’t work the way you want, right? And that’s good, it’s okay, it’s part of the process. I think what’s so frustrating is when we get in this mindset of thinking that success means failure never exists, right? Where I think it’s, no, it’s just becoming comfortable with failure.
Allie (19:21.616)
Yes.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:41.522)
and continuing to move through it. And that’s really what marketing is. Marketing is about uncovering failures rapidly, right? What isn’t working? What creatives aren’t working? I mean, we can look at it on the opposite side that what creatives worked the best, but really what that’s telling us is which ones didn’t perform, which audiences didn’t work, which is failure. And that’s okay. I think that’s, I hope that people hear that and hear that it’s, you just have to have the…
energy and the mindset that there’s going to be iterations, there’s going to be testing. What is something that work? Yeah, go ahead. No, I want to hear. Yeah.
Allie (20:14.927)
Yeah, and not take it personally either. sorry. Not taking it personally if it doesn’t, if it’s not successful the first time. A lot of people that I’ve worked with through different capacities are like, I’m bad at marketing. My audience doesn’t like me. I’m not good enough at this. You know, they make it about them and it’s no, it’s a numbers game. It was slightly, you know, the wrong word. It wasn’t you. So I think if people can move from failure to failure faster, that helps a lot too. I know I used to take like months in between failures to try to.
relaunch and I wish I had moved a lot faster through that.
Tyler Jorgenson (20:48.274)
yeah. Yeah. It’s easy to look backwards and say, man, I wish I would have. But, you mentioned something earlier and I want to bring it back up and you, you mentioned imposter syndrome. Now I happened to see a post of yours recently addressing somebody’s opinion on imposter syndrome. honestly, imposter syndrome is something I’ve never really understood just like, cause I feel like it’s not really well defined. not that it’s not like I don’t think that people struggle with it, but.
Allie (21:11.632)
Mm.
Tyler Jorgenson (21:15.378)
Talk to me about what is imposter syndrome and what’s your take on it.
Allie (21:19.856)
Well, now I have to define it. I don’t know if it’s clearly defined or not, I guess. My interpretation… Yeah. Right.
Tyler Jorgenson (21:21.074)
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s the thing. So what does it mean to you when someone says it’s not imposter syndrome, right? Like you clearly got to, you clearly had energy there. Yeah.
Allie (21:33.68)
was triggered. This is true. Yep. So the post was like, it’s you don’t have imposter syndrome. You’re not good enough yet. Or you’re just not good enough yet was, you know, what it was said. And I was triggered probably from a more feminine perspective, or I know women, they’ve done a lot of studies about women and imposter syndrome and data says that we experienced imposter syndrome at higher rates. So whatever imposter syndrome means, I think my definition would probably be
not feeling like you’re capable of doing something or you’re not worthy of doing the thing, you’re not ready for it because you don’t have the experience or whatever excuses people have, like you don’t have the testimonials yet or the, I don’t know, the proof or some people do have testimonials and proof and they still feel this imposter syndrome, like they’re not worthy of being in the situation that they’re in. So my opinion was that.
If you’re telling people that they’re not good enough yet for the people who are experiencing imposter syndrome, that’s just going to compound on what they’re already feeling. So if the goal is to just empower people to go do the thing and start tiny, even if they don’t feel like they’re ready yet, it was like the opposite of my entire messaging as a brand. And, you know, it’s like, I’d rather encourage people to just go do the thing and maybe pretend that they don’t have imposter syndrome, like act as if they already are the person they want to be.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:42.482)
Yeah.
Allie (22:52.688)
versus like, I’m not, I’m not good enough yet. So that’s why I was a little triggered in the story, which I admit.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:53.426)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (22:59.218)
And that’s okay. I’m not challenging that at all. I think it’s okay to have different perspectives on things like that. And it’s also really tough to try to extrapolate an entire thought from a one sentence, you know, social media post is difficult. You know, context is tough. The irony is I actually did because I’m like, sometimes we tend to make
Allie (23:03.184)
That’s all right. We can go there.
Allie (23:15.344)
Right. Yeah. And some people might find that super motivating too. You know, some people might read that and be like, yes. yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (23:29.618)
we overanalyze. Sometimes we tend to think, maybe I’m struggling because, and instead of just taking the tiny step, we try to overanalyze why we haven’t taken the step yet. And I’m like, just take the step. Just get the reps in, get the experience, right? Fail faster, right? Stop spending so much time trying, like there’s a time to understand and there’s a time to act. And I think that’s how I took it, but that’s just cause that’s the lens I was seeing it from at the time.
Allie (23:41.904)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (23:58.13)
But I’m also learning to warmly embrace multiple perspectives of the same thing.
Allie (24:02.768)
And isn’t it funny how much we project our own stuff. Like my whole story was about imposter syndrome and overcoming imposter syndrome through tiny steps. So then I see something like that. And that’s the lens that I interpret it through, you know, not, not like, okay, you suck, go work harder. Not that that’s what you were thinking, but that, that mentality of just run, like keep going until you don’t have it as a motivational quote. And plus it was great engagement too. Like there were tons of comments on there and, and that, you know, may have been the point of posting something like that.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:06.162)
yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:15.282)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:20.018)
Right.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:28.178)
yeah. I struggle. I do struggle with that. I struggle with the polarizing us versus them throw stones. I’ve never been good at that. I always like when Russell talks about the reluctant hero, which I feel like that seems to be a little bit of, of kind of your personality and characteristics. I always joke. I’m the reluctant reporter. Like, like I, I don’t want to be the hero. I don’t even, I, I, I love sharing other people’s stories. I just want to do that.
Allie (24:48.848)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:55.474)
But even then, you know, after 14 years, sometimes it still takes energy and it seems tough. But, but I think that’s a really fascinating take on, and I like your message. I love the idea of taking these tiny steps because it, no tiny, no one feels that a tiny step is overwhelming, right? If, if, but if we say tomorrow, I want you to launch a self liquidating offer that goes to a high ticket coaching program. And I want you to be able to scale all of your ads.
Allie (25:01.008)
Yeah, that’s all.
Allie (25:15.984)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (25:23.442)
have all your creative done, do everything and I want it done. Like that’s gonna massively terrorize like most people. But like hey, what’s the small step you can take, right? What can you do? What’s the first, the next best thing? So, Hallie, what’s your next best thing? What’s the thing you’re gonna do next?
Allie (25:29.84)
Yeah, yep.
Allie (25:38.)
Yeah.
Allie (25:43.472)
Well, for me, I have a book coming out in the near future. I don’t have an exact date yet, but it’s about starting tiny and, you know, building, just taking those steps. And it talks about tiny offer funnels specifically, but it kind of ties in my story and how I figured out this strategy and why the strategy worked for me. So that’s the tiny step I’m trying to take is like, get this book out into the world. But I think just continuing to…
manage a team and grow a team and stay, you know, even if I hit my upper limit again, like keep growing with it instead of burning it down. It’s going to be my next tiny step is just continue growing.
Tyler Jorgenson (26:22.514)
And I know that it’s really important to you that running these businesses, doing all these things doesn’t pull you completely away from family and your personal goals. So what’s one item on your personal bucket list you’re going to accomplish in the next 12 months?
Allie (26:38.32)
My big goal for my personal list is to continue buying real estate, just to have, I mean, to make work optional at some point. We’ve got six properties right now and my goal is 15. So I’ve got some work to do to fill in the gap between six to 15 properties. But I love the idea. Like I love what I do and I don’t think I’ll ever quit, I’ll never retire, but just having that option and having that other stream of passive income coming in, it is a huge value of mine too.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:07.57)
Yeah. So I love that. Not, I want to go on a trip. I want to do this. It was, I just want to keep buying realistic. Where’s your dream location? Yeah. If you could wake up tomorrow anywhere in the world on a vacation, where would it be?
Allie (27:12.048)
that too. Yeah, yeah. Real estate, investing.
Allie (27:21.168)
I really want to go to Norway right now. My husband’s family just traced their lineage and found out that we are somehow related to a king of Norway from like 800 years ago. So now my daughters are calling themselves Norwegian princesses and they’re like dressing up and running around the house. I mean, why not go to the homeland? I think that would be really fun. Go find, yes, yeah, take it back. It’s ours somewhere. Yeah, perfect.
Tyler Jorgenson (27:37.234)
Absolutely.
No, you’ve got to. Yeah. Storm the castle. Take, take it back there. There’s your next property. I love that. I really appreciate you coming out on the show. This has been a ton of fun chatting with you. If people want to learn more about you, they can go to aliburke .com and, also check out tinyoffer .com.
Allie (28:05.296)
Thanks so much for having me, Tyler.