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Tyler Jorgenson 0:01
You’re listening to biz ninja entrepreneur radio. This show was created for entrepreneurs, business owners, marketers and dreamers who want to learn from the experts of today and drastically shortcut their own success to build a business that supports their dream lifestyle. Since 2011, Tyler Jorgensen has been interviewing business thought leaders from around the world, a serial entrepreneur himself. Tyler also shares his personal insights into what’s working in business today. Welcome to biz Ninja, entrepreneur radio. Welcome out to biz ninja entrepreneur radio. I’m your host, Tyler Jorgensen. And today we have Veronica Romney, who is undergoing a complete entrepreneurial makeover. She is a dream team architect. And formerly she was a speaker for Tony Robbins. Not sure if you’ve heard of him, she was also the Chief of Staff for boss babes, which is a huge brand. In the assertive women space. I don’t actually know what niche that would be. And she’s no state is no stranger to the stage. She’s been an online marketing for over 13 years. And I’m really excited to have her out because I love the idea of starting over and building upon your past. So welcome to the show, Veronica.
Veronica Romney 1:26
Thank you, Tyler. And it’s unapologetically ambitious women.
Tyler Jorgenson 1:30
I don’t remember what I said. I sounds like Exactly. I think it was the same thing. Yes. Welcome out where I’m so excited to talk about you and your journey. When was the moment that you first realized that you were an entrepreneur
Unknown Speaker 1:44
when I was born? So little known fact, my maiden name is Iglesias. So my parents are Cuban immigrants. And I’ve only ever seen my parents be entrepreneurs. And I’m the oldest and I just have this belief that entrepreneurs birth other entrepreneurs, and I had no there’s no other destiny for me than this one.
Tyler Jorgenson 2:04
So you went from like being confused with Latin pop royalty to Mormon politician? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:11
I went from one last famous last name to another famous last name, but none of the benefits of either one, just just the name.
Tyler Jorgenson 2:20
And that’s okay. Because as an entrepreneur, you build your own benefits. So, okay, so you were born to the light into the life of entrepreneurship. And I this is fascinate, because I think some people recognize that early on. And some people kind of uncover it through just not fitting in to the other worlds, right. But you’ve also worked in a lot of the big name industries as like an intrapreneur. Right? So you’ve you’ve known you’re going to be an entrepreneur, but you’ve also done a lot of this working with other big brands. Well, first of all, how did you balance that?
Unknown Speaker 2:48
Well, okay, so like, remember, right, if your parents are immigrating from a communist country, for them, education is the means to change your outcome. And so like, as a child, it was education, education, your best grades, best school, change your destiny through, you know, being acknowledged for what you know, versus for them, they had to, like, forego everything that they were associated with, to come to a new country and start from scratch. But like you’re mentioning, like, I’ve always had the call of the wild inside of me, like I can feel it. And that has come up many times. Because even while working for corporations or for big brands, you know, there’s a line of like, you can push, you can push them, there’s a like a line, I tend to like tiptoe over the line, I can’t help myself. So I’ve always known that, like, there’s a lot inside of me, whether it’s you know, not not to say that I’m a challenger personality, but I feel very deeply and I have strong opinions, and I have a lot of conviction behind what I do. And I really want to bring that to an organization. But I also got to realize very quickly that not every organization is wanting to change or wanting to own some of the things that they need to own. And really to, like fully control the customer experience or how your team members are treated and compensated is really to do your own thing. It was eventually going to happen, how it happened, you know, becoming a mom and like, okay, now is the job I want to now it’s like no longer selfishly a lifestyle for myself. And now it’s a lifestyle that I can do with my family as a center, as opposed to having a job at the center of my universe.
Tyler Jorgenson 4:18
And so we’re going to get into what is your like your zone of genius. We’re going to get into what you’re doing now, how your dream team architect, but I want to spend a little bit more time in the past, right? You’ve pursued a career, you’ve had a career with some big companies, you also pursued your education. What was the first thing that you did that was on your own? Or is this the very first time you’ve gone? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 4:39
so I left the corporate world, October 2017. I had a four year stint with a software company now they’re like Uber successful. They’re called entrata. In Utah, I left because I had started a side hustle. I had started digital marketing agency, it got to about $600,000 in revenue, and I was still working my corporate job and I had To very small little man cubs, and I just couldn’t do it anymore like the L shaped desk with a two computer stations and two babies like what what in the hell was I thinking? And so there was a point where like, I’m jumping, and so I left to fully develop my marketing agency because I’d grown so big. And then I eventually sold it in 2019, and pursued that speaker life. And that’s when I became a Tony Robbins speaker and trainer. And then COVID happened. So it’s been it’s been a wild ride since 2017. For sure,
Tyler Jorgenson 5:30
yeah. So through all of these things that you’ve done with working with software companies, and then we’re having Tony Robbins, a boss, babe and launching your own company where you had to hire your own people and pay them and handle them. You’ve learned that teams are like vitally important. Oh, yes. Before we get into the secrets of what makes what you do so amazing. What are some of the common mistakes that that small to medium businesses do when it comes to their teams? Don’t do what I did. Right? Let’s learn from your mistakes.
Unknown Speaker 6:00
So I went from led to I started working on graduated from Brigham Young University at 20 years old and start working on ancestry.com, which we went from private to publicly traded while I was there. So I’ve only ever know like, at that point, the whole 10 year sprint of just corporate environments, like highways with very specific lanes and infrastructure and like team and managers, supervisor, I mean, all the layers, right? So when I started my digital marketing agency, I was like, Oh, I need a project manager. I need an office manager. I need HR I like I basically tried to recreate the corporate environment for under a million dollars in gross revenue. That was stupidity. Like, I bloated my Ops, I had no net profitability. I was like, telling myself a lie. I’m just I’m just reinvesting in the business. No, I was I was completely building an infrastructure that had no business being in an online digital marketing agency, because I was trying to replicate what I had seen in personally experienced. That was my first huge mistake. And
Tyler Jorgenson 6:58
that’s, that’s fascinating, because for a lot of the entrepreneurs that I talked to, they didn’t first work in that corporate world. So they make the opposite mistake, instead of trying to put all these pieces in, they do none of them. Yep. Right. And so it’s like, how do you find the balance?
Unknown Speaker 7:14
Yeah, well, I think it just depends on the nature of the business. Number one, like if you’re a marketing agency, or any kind of service, providing of any sorts, you’re going to have more ops resources, because it’s the human beings that are fulfilling the service that you’re selling. If you’re straight online education info products, then you’re gonna have a really heavy marketing division, because you are the face and the girl. I mean, it’s the song and dance the show pony all day, every day content machine. So it just depends on the nature of the business. But you’re right, there’s this huge balance between like, at what point do I personally let go of the vine? And who do I hand the stuff over to? Because sometimes I think people are like, I need a president. It’s like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, you don’t need a president right away. But do you need an executive assistant? Should you should you forego and outsource your social media and your email management when you’re also foregoing customer feedback early on? That doesn’t seem wise. So there’s a balance between like, what do you outsource first? And what do you take your time before you hire somebody that you hopefully you want to be in the long run with you as a number two, who is inspired by what they do every day, because the business is ready for them.
Tyler Jorgenson 8:17
I’ve noticed in the little bit that I’ve gotten to know you that you’re really good about creating frameworks and understanding like, okay, there’s there’s things that make sense, right? So you have three pillars behind successful teams, but dream teams and hiring a players tell us about those three pillars?
Unknown Speaker 8:33
Yeah, so at a fundamental level, it’s you have your start, you know, sales and marketing efforts. So this is every This is basically from zero to $1. Like this is taking somebody who’s never spent anything with you, and they’re in at least having that $1 that one piece of revenue that comes in the door, then there’s the operational side of things or the product development side of things, which is either you know, retaining that $1 or really is upselling cross selling down selling, it’s taking that dollar making $1 $52 $3 like, and then there’s like finance and legal and like the the unsexy stuff, right? Like, nobody likes that, but yet they safeguard your money. So every department or every section, or pillar of the business has a hand in the pot, they’re either bringing in money for the first time, they’re multiplying the money, or they’re safeguarding the money from being taken or bleeding out from like, you know, leaky buckets. So those are the fundamentals. Now how you convert that to a business, again, depends on the nature of the business, because if you’re an online personality, you’re going to need different levels of support. And then like a manufacturing company, for example,
Tyler Jorgenson 9:37
the operations are going to be different depending on the niche, right? And so we have listeners who are in agencies, we have listeners who are in e commerce, manufacturing, and really entrepreneurship I think, even though the specific way that they implement this is going to be different. I think the concept is the same, right? You have those three pillars, each one needs attention, right and so and and how you, I guess, Alec Keep that it’s gonna be different on the brand but where where would you say what are some common mistakes of those three pillars? Where do people miss allocate?
Unknown Speaker 10:07
Well, so I think everybody disproportionately focuses on sales and marketing the most because you can’t have a business if you don’t make money. So I think a lot of visionaries or owners, they like dive in they take all the courses they buy all the books they like really I want to say like build up their sales and marketing muscle more than any other muscle in the business. So now they have money now we get to like a million dollars like, Oh, no, everything’s breaking Why is everything breaking out a million dollars, I thought I was supposed to be enjoying the fruits of my labor. Like I have a million I’m a seven figure business owner, like, isn’t this one all like ponies and rainbows start shooting how the ground and it’s because they spent so much time developing their sales and marketing muscle and zero time usually developing their operational or in this case, I think team development and leadership muscle like good people just don’t come and and you can’t just stick an A player in an organization and think that they’ll thrive like people management, I would say is even a harder task than it is mastering funnels or lead magnets or maybe not Facebook ads, because that’s a nightmare. But you don’t mean like you’re actually managing different human beings and personalities. They all have different aspirations. They all have different personal situations and, you know, soft skills, hard skills, you know, mental abilities and thresholds and capacities. Like that’s a whole other discipline that most of my amazing visionaries have spent very little time developing, because they didn’t need to to get to the million dollars in the first place.
Tyler Jorgenson 11:37
Yeah, it’s amazing, where depending on stages of entrepreneurship, and in e commerce, I’m like, Hey, your first threshold is the first dollar that comes from somebody who’s not your mom, right? Like you actually sold to a stranger. And then you have like, okay, you’re doing like 30k a month. Yeah, that’s like 1000 bucks a day, like, now you’re actually like in momentum, then you got 100 grand a month. And then from there, everything is based on the goals of the of the person, right? And I think every business has that these kind of weird metrics that we hit. And for some reason, that million dollar Yeah, thing that we always talk about in business. And that’s why pretty similar, like 100 grand or 83 grand a month is about a million dollar business. And at that point, it’s like, which way do you want to go? There’s nothing wrong with saying stay here and just maximize profits. Yeah. And if you want to scale you’ve got you’re probably gonna have to redo everything, like,
Unknown Speaker 12:28
well, or here’s the other thing that I most commonly see. And this is something that you and I have had conversations about, it’s you got $2 million. So it’s like you won the game, you won Donkey Kong, like you, you beat the game in some capacity. And now you’re getting itchy, because you’re like, well, now this doesn’t excite me anymore, because I feel like I’ve achieved the outcome that I sought out to have, which is to break that million mark, like to break the statistic, I am now a statistic, the elite, whatever percentage, and so then you’re like, well, I want to do something different. And that’s when it gets really dicey because you’re currently sitting in a boat. And now you want to put one of your legs in another boat and the boat starts to diverge. So that’s the other thing that I see with my amazing visionary clients is like, they’re multi passionate, there’s no to your point. There’s no shortage of ideas. Now they feel held back restraint, leashed anchored in the business that they made, and they want to pursue other passions and desires. And they feel like they don’t have the time or the resources to do that. And that is also equally frustrating.
Tyler Jorgenson 13:28
So for some people, it’s like, hey, I’ve, I’ve reached a goal. And now I want something new and other people it’s going to be, Hey, you know what, I’ve reached this goal. And I don’t know what I need to do differently. Sure, right. And so either way, there’s these weird, and it’s weird that they tend to be tied to these weird dollar benchmarks. They don’t they shouldn’t be, but they are. And I’ve also think they’re often tied to how big your company is, right? There’s certain numbers of people where things break down. But we have these weird benchmarks that we hit. And for some reason, those are the points where we like, decide what we decide that we have to like, reflect on who we want to be what do we want to be when you grow up again? Right? How do you help the people where you’re their dream team architect, like, figure out those next steps?
Unknown Speaker 14:09
Yeah, and by the way, what you said is exactly right, because I think that happens just in their personal lives, like oh, by 20 I’ll figure I’ll know what I want to do for the rest of my life. Like, no, you won’t, by 30 I’ll have like a house and like, you know, suburban and some kids and like the perfect marriage, like No, you won’t. Who’s gonna tell the 30 year old that we still haven’t figured out by now like who is gonna break that bubble? So this goes for our personal lives. This goes for our professional lives. I think that we set this like flag that like once I get to the flag, whatever that is especially financially based that like all will be well. And that’s just not true. So the very first thing that I need to figure out immediately when working with somebody is like what’s the Northstar? Like what do you actually want? Not what you think that you want? Or Or are you emulating what your peers have done that you’re trying to like be seen equal to them in their eyes, because like Yeah, what is it that you want? And what’s actually feeling the want? Or in this case, like if your fall assignments and like, what’s your why, but for me, it’s like the North Star because I
Tyler Jorgenson 15:09
didn’t say that you’re getting very Tony Robbins on us. Yeah, but I, and there’s nothing wrong with that I’d like there are good things in every in this right. And so I’m going to pause you for a sec because I want to go deeper here. There are I’ve seen people do like the Okay, let’s go to your seven layers of why or your North Star or your things. And sometimes it’s super deep. And other times it’s like, No, I just have that as a goal. Right. But like, how do you help them uncover that?
Unknown Speaker 15:32
Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you’re talking about the seven levels, deep exercise and all that stuff. But when I say northstars, like, What do you want? Because if my superpower my zone of genius is the how and the who like I’m the execution person. I’m the person that takes an idea and makes it a reality like no joke. That’s not like just a nice, cute thing to say like I actually do that. And I do that for my clients. But I’ve also done that for my big, the big companies I’ve worked for, right? But what’s really aggravating for me is I execute what I thought somebody wanted. And they’re like, actually, this doesn’t excite me. I never really I’m like, Oh, no, I did not said seven months. So that’s when I say I need to know what you want. And like, lovingly, I’m going again, a little bit of the challenger personality, I’m going to question why. And like play a little bit of mental ping pong. Is that really what you want? Because? Or is that what you think that you want? Now?
Tyler Jorgenson 16:20
Once? Yeah, and I like how you said that? Like, is it what you think your peers, right? You’ve em you you’re emulating your peers. And you think that’s what you’re supposed to do? Is it what you your parents want for you? Right? What your what your business like colleagues want? Or is it really what you want?
Unknown Speaker 16:36
Yep, yep. And so and like, again, sometimes business is no longer inspire the business owner. And that needs to be figured out ASAP.
Tyler Jorgenson 16:45
I was I was so fascinated by the closing of Fry’s Electronics. I don’t know if you know that company. But they were a really big, like massive big box, electronics retailer and the owner just closed, like, seemingly overnight. It wasn’t he didn’t try to sell, liquidate. He just was like I’m done. And honestly, I respect it so much. Because the ability to make that hard decision and just make it yeah, it even though it was bad for people, it was a point of certainty, and not chaos. It was done. And sometimes businesses don’t no longer serve the owner. And and that’s okay. It’s okay to be honest about that, instead of lying to yourself for years and trying to force it to work.
Unknown Speaker 17:28
Yeah. And it’s really difficult for teams to interpret somebody who’s not sure of themselves. Like, can you imagine having a relationship with somebody that doesn’t know if they’re in or they’re out? It’s the same idea. So for business owners in or they’re out on the team, I was like, are we passionate one week? And we’re not passionate? The next week? Are we going through the mountain or not? Like, are we what are we doing now? Which mountain in my climbing right now. So that’s when I say like, we need to figure out what it is because I can achieve whatever that marker is. But I’m not going to choose something that you actually don’t want? No, thank you.
Tyler Jorgenson 17:55
Yeah. So how do you help them do that?
Unknown Speaker 17:57
Part of it? It’s Yes. Do you know what you want? But sometimes I almost feel like we get to the answer by discovering what you don’t want. So like, what we do is we basically have like a therapy session about the business. Okay, what aspects of the business are you enjoying? And what aspects of the business you’re like? Never again, don’t make me do it. If you took this away from me, I would love you forever. Sometimes you don’t know what you want a relationship until you date a jerk. It’s the same idea. Like, I don’t know, the prince charming that I meant to have, but man of kiss a lot of effing frogs, like it’s that. So I just kind of have to understand both what they think that they want. But sometimes I get to the truth by discovering what they really, really don’t want. Like some people say, I want a huge team. I want 100 employees, I want to I want to hire 100 women and be a brand for all women. And then I like okay, but do you love managing people? Like No, I hate it. I’m like, What the? So that’s what I mean.
Tyler Jorgenson 18:46
Makes perfect sense. So yeah, and I think in many things, the process of elimination is often easier than the product, like just identifying something right? By taking away options is huge. I do the same thing when trying to help people pick an e commerce niche. It’s like, what do you not want to do? Right? And that at least gets us like a quarter of the way there sometimes for further mom. Now I think it’s important. I had Sharon lechter, who is the co author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and we were talking about the difference of a business owner and business operator, kind of the Cash Flow Quadrant. You have some thoughts on that. What What do you What’s your perspective there?
Unknown Speaker 19:18
Okay. Remember, I specialize in the online business sector, right? So I have specifically been I’ve never cheated on my boyfriend marketing. I’ve always been a marketer from like, day one of my [email protected] deploying emails, like 6 million people, right. And then of course, now being behind these mega big online brands and personalities, these personalities. What kills me about this industry more than anything is they sell their products and services with the promise of the lifestyle that they emulate, right. So if you follow them on social media, and really look at the amazing lifestyle that I have, you could have this too if you buy the thing or if you build your own course or your do your own thing or you become a coach like whatever. So they have to Like dangle the carrot of lifestyle in order for you to purchase and invest in their products. But the truth is, they don’t like their lifestyle, because they’re like, to your point, they’re not an owner of their business, they’re very much operating their business. They don’t actually take a vacation. It’s always a work location, always a workstation. They’re never not working to me. Why did I get into entrepreneurship, if that was my reality, right? So when, so I never really talks about owner and operator, I just have a very particular lens. When I say you want to be an owner and not an operator, what I’m saying is you want to go on a vacation and not lose sleep that the house is like being taken care of in your absence. That’s the goal when it comes to online businesses.
Tyler Jorgenson 20:38
Yeah. And I think we could go into a whole conversation of whether you’re going to be the attractive character or the or the abbot or the, you know, magnet of your business. And I think regardless, is your business going to be able to function and operate without you. Because if it can’t, you’re still an operator, you’re still you still own. And it also doesn’t mean that you have to be able to leave for like six years, right? for six years. I mean, there are companies I know that were built that way where the owner built them from day one, where they would check in literally once a year, it was like, Chairman of the Board type of a builder. Sure. And that’s okay, too, right. Like there’s hundreds of ways to do it. You’ve talked about your Northstar, we’ve talked about teams, understanding your vision, and making sure that it then fits and gets into your company culture. How do you do that?
Unknown Speaker 21:23
Okay. So again, knowing what you want, knowing what you don’t want and knowing the team that is needed to support that vision, but also to support that uniqueness that you are right. So if you’ve ever read traction, the very start of the book is like letting go of the vine, well, do you really want to let go the vine or you want to pinky on the vine. So for me, it’s like when I’m architecting a team, and I’m trying to build a company culture that is, I think, also a reflection of the owner of the company. Like every every business has the DNA of the owner, even long after they’re gone, whether it be Walt Disney or Steve Jobs or whatever, right? So for me, it’s like when I’m architecting, an organizational chart or architecting different team members what I want to do, I just want to make sure that people don’t have an overlap too much of an overlap of the same strengths. And the same contributions. I don’t need to class clowns. I don’t need just saying like when you do relatives or your book, like I don’t, I don’t need to rulers of the universe personalities. I don’t need to class clowns, like when I’m trying to construct. One is the org chart, which is like on paper without any personality. The other thing is, okay, now when we’re interviewing, or we’re hiring, we’re talking to team members. It’s like, where do you fit on this team? Where are you the cheerleader that gets everybody up? When like, you’re down six, and oh, like, what personality or dynamic do you bring to this team that not only helps you achieve a profitable bottom line, but speaking specifically about company culture, it’s also to support the visionaries personality too, because they’re really the number one employee of this team,
Tyler Jorgenson 22:51
right. And I have seen from experience and from others, that there tends to be two ways that the kind of the visionary or the main, the owner hires, they hire people just like them because it’s easy. Or they hire people completely opposite because they think like, it’s for some reason, it seems to be like one or the other. And then they have this whole stack of people that can’t relate to him because they hired opposites, or this whole stack people that are just like them, so there’s no balance, right? So you starting before you start hiring, building out that org chart is pretty important, right? So you can identify what team members are actually needed.
Unknown Speaker 23:26
Yeah, most I mean, mind you, I work with visionaries that are at least at seven figures. And their goal is to get to eight figures and not be an operator in the business. So at that point, like I’m, I’m already looking at a picture of their team, like I already see a picture of the staff already got a core a clarity, I already know whether or not they’ve hired people that look like just like them, quite frankly, like if it’s a whole bunch of white guys and a lineup in the leadership team. Like we have a problem, right? So like I say that not because I’m a raging feminist, I’m saying that because diversity in a team picture is more than just diversity for a checkbox standpoint, I’m talking about diversity of background diversity of opinion, like, and what I’ve also noticed, I know what you’re saying is like people that look like them are people who have the same anagram type as them or whatever, whatever personality system that you follow. But it’s also sometimes it’s like, do you want somebody who’s going to challenge you, because what I find to be the most efficient teams, the same thing in a marriage, like, I don’t want somebody who’s just gonna lay over and let me do whatever I want. Like, that’s not exciting to me 20 years or 10 years into this marriage, like, I want somebody who’s gonna challenge me in a respectful, loving, compassionate way. The same thing that you want your team everybody talks about hiring smarter than you. Not everybody can actually handle that.
Tyler Jorgenson 24:34
Yeah, not everyone is people say they want challenge, but not everyone. Right? I’ve had business partners where if I try to challenge it becomes like a conflict instead of like, we’re all trying to move the business forward. Why? Like, this isn’t a fight between us. It’s what’s best for the business, right? Correct. We’ve covered a lot of topics right and you you’ve got these amazing things that you’re working on. What are some things that as you’re making this shift into your business? Now you’re like, I need to make sure to stay to remember, right? Because you’re shifting back into launching your business. And you don’t want to not follow your own best practices right and follow your own secrets. What are the some of the things in these first couple of months that you’re like, Oh, I really need to stay true to this.
Unknown Speaker 25:16
Yeah. So again, number one, Bice have a visionary type of personality is to have too many ideas that you try to execute at one given time, which, when you’re restarting or starting a business from scratch is like everybody, everybody wants to talk to everybody and offer everything because if you have a credit card, I’ll take it. Like, that was definitely the issue at the agency that I started like, Oh, I can be marketing for everybody. I will never do that again. And I’m very much being a disciple of my online message right here. So for me I knew in leaving boss babe and like restarting the stream team architect business, it was very, very, very simplistic week one rebrand everything week to tell everyone what I’m up to, and be very clear on what I’m doing. I’m not doing everything for everyone. And I know that you know, me as a marketer, I’m not a marketer. I’m a dream team architect, right? Like, I’m being very unapologetic, and very disciplined to be very clear on where I’m planting my flag, again, in the space that I love.
Tyler Jorgenson 26:12
So I love that you said you’re a disciple of your own message, right? Because it is amazing how many times experts don’t follow their own advice. So first of all, good job. And second of all, like if that’s your goal, your dream team arktech. You’re coming in, you’re helping these companies, you’ve got a clear mission. You know what you’re helping them. Right. And you follow these steps within your business. What are your big goals?
Unknown Speaker 26:36
Yeah, so for me again, I as much as I love, love, love developing teams more than anything that I could put like, why love marketing over finance or being a you know, CPA or whatever, like, I’ve always loved business, but which discipline of business The reason I gravitated towards marketing was because marketing teams are the best, or the best teams, like a marketing department in general is like an active beehive. And it’s like, where I thrive. So that’s where my love of teams have always come from is because marketing I love but it’s the team of a marketing team, right? Or an online marketing business, right? And then example. So for me, as quickly as I can, as conservatively financially as I can, I want my own team again, I’m used to being a gladiator and a bigger Coliseum, and I’m ready to build my own Coliseum.
Tyler Jorgenson 27:19
But this time smart instead of just hiring them all before you meet up, right, so correct. All right now business aside, if business is about creating lifestyle, and not a lifestyle that you’re forced to live within because of your business, what’s one major item on your personal bucket list you’re going to accomplish in the next 12 months?
Unknown Speaker 27:36
Well, I just did that. I just I did I just bought an investment goals were done. No, but I This was big for me. I just bought an investment property on the beach of North Carolina. Very cool. So it’s like we actually get to use it for the first time during labor day. So like for me, it’s actually spending more time at the place that like Time stands still because my kids are getting older and I just want to enjoy my family.
Tyler Jorgenson 28:00
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